Here We Stand, We Can Do No Other

March, 14, 2023 | 3 Comments


  1. “Dog in the hunt…

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    Dan Johnson

    Dexter would be pleased at this unexpected opportunity to help others. He was famous for his empathy, sacrifices in support of others, and accomplishing what he felt needed to be done.

    This week The Guardian produced this article, which caused a buzz in some circles

    Peter D. Kramer

    Replying to @pillow11112 @recover2renew and @joannamoncrieff

    In Listening to Prozac, I called the theory “perhaps false and at least incomplete.” I have no dog in the hunt. But I’m impressed with how hardy the theory is. It has persisted for decades. The opposite view, that it is no longer of interest to researchers, is clearly mistaken.

    ohn Drummond

    Replying to @JdaviesPhD and @guardian

    Oh god it’s painful, so many things barmy. This however made me laugh: “A small leap of logic suggested that if boosting serotonin levels made people feel better, perhaps a deficit was causing depression in the first place.”

    Just a small one

    Alyne Duthie

    Replying to

    Yes. It’s a disaster zone. We’re in 2023. It was newsworthy enough to capture the attention of The Guardian in 2000. Where are the suicide prevention experts?

    Prozac “can make healthy men, women and children with no history of depression feel suicidal.”

    “There was a strong feeling that while on the drug that in some way she was being controlled and that suicide might happen.”

    ‘ Paxil-Aropax-Deroxat-Seroxat-Paroxetine has no – NO – side effects.

    The Silent Assassins, the SSRIs, go about their business, they draw a silent veil, they push reality to one side; like a parasitic worm, living-in and feeding on living hosts – taking one’s life is not preventable –

     Swallowing the company line

    Sarah Boseley

    It’s time we had proper, open trials on the Prozac family of antidepressants

    But GSK has not carried out that sort of study to establish whether or not Seroxat can make people agitated, suicidal, murderous or hooked. Nor has it carried out a randomised controlled trial. Here is the black hole. There is no proof that the drug does these things, says GSK, and because of that there is no reason to carry out trials that might decide it one way or the other.

    ‘This is the religion that Regulators, Politicians, the Media and pretty well everyone believes in now.  Welcome to a world where poisons have become sacraments.

    ‘ This was the moment Pharma took ownership of the market.

    ‘Are you Subjects of the Empire (Empires don’t have citizens) going to believe the Science or the Artefact?

  2. Since then, they’ve only gotten sneakier. Pfizer promised us a trial with 44,000 participants that was slated to last for two full years, and it was shut down after seven percent pf participants made it to the six-month mark. And, as reports to VAERS of adverse events (including death) have skyrocketed, the drug companies and their minions tell us those don’t count because they are not coming from a randomized controlled trial.

  3. Outside the Circle of Listeners,

    Film-maker, Seroxat-Survivor, Peter Gordon


    “How should psychiatry respond to its critics?”

    The Key Note Lecture for the 2023 International Congress of the Royal College of Psychiatrists is to be given by Sir Robin Murray. The Congress programme gives this outline of the lecture:

    Sir Robin Murray

    How should psychiatry respond to its critics-with vehemence or conciliation?

    Psychiatry is often criticised, for example for the continued use of ECT, preoccupation with the minutia of DSM/ICD diagnoses, excessive use of medications or compulsory treatment. The critics include pseudoreligious groups such as the Scientologists with whom dialogue is impossible. Others with extreme views include radical psychologists who consider that their profession should take over the care of most of the mentally ill from psychiatrists. However, significant criticism also comes from user groups, other mental health professionals,  Hearing Voices groups, psychiatric historians, and even from fellow psychiatrists such as those in “Critical Psychiatry”.  This criticism can, at times, be vitriolic – see the website for “Mad in America” (and its offspring “Mad in the UK”). 

    Psychiatry sets out to provide care for those with mental health problems i.e. to provide a service to them. Service industries (e.g. hotels, airlines), generally survey their consumers to assess their satisfaction or otherwise.  However, the orthodox psychiatric response to criticisms of care has often been to discount sceptics as ill-informed, paranoid, or simply misled.   Some psychiatrists have attempted to have dialogue with the critics, not always successfully.  This presentation will consider the options, bearing in mind that bad experience of psychiatric care drives patients away, and that companies that lose touch with their customers tend to go out of business. 

    Read more about this speaker.

    For those who don’t know, Peter Gordon was once Dr. Peter Gordon, Scottish Old-Age Psychiatrist, who was vilified, dragged through a very murky experience by Professor Sir Simon Wessely, Wendy Burn CBE, and John Crichton, because of his life-threatening experience with Seroxat. He had no choice but to resign.

    outside the circle of listeners

    Ruffling feathers; opening up

    Here We Stand, We Can Do No Other …

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