Tweeting while Medicine Burns

March, 6, 2017 | 15 Comments


  1. Waffling?

    The wrong people are making a real stand which seems lost in translation across the pond ..

    Rasputin March 6, 2017 at 11:32 am

    This entire controversy confuses me. I’ve been pouring over countless books (yours included) and studies over the past six years. It seems clear that all these drugs are extremely harmful. Yet people like yourself always stop short of condemning their use completely.

    Are the drugs helpful or not? If not, why is there no concerted effort to stop their use? Why don’t the knowledgeable people make a real stand?

    Why all the waffling?

    Any takers … ?

    • I’m wondering too, but my guess is that there is a large market for these drugs, harmful as they are. According to one mainstream psych doctor, whose website I stumbled across “for every one person who hated psychiatry, dozens if not hundreds of people come to my office begging for diagnoses and medical prescriptions.” I find it hard to trust any doctors now (shrinks especially) but he may have been honest about this.

      There are many grateful consumers–happy to give away all adult responsibilities and do nothing but take pills for a living. Part of this is no doubt due to placebo effect and spell binding. These folks become vitriolic–sometimes violent–when they fear their precious suppliers may not be able to come through for them so they can get their fix.

      Plus, despite the discrimination, some folks like being able to act like abusive jerks and then blaming it on their mental illness. This makes it hard on those who don’t like their MI labels and try to behave themselves.

  2. The response from much of psychiatry was the same response as from psychoanalysts to criticism against psychotherapy. When the treatment failed to work, they claimed it was the disease not the treatment that was at fault. Similarly, psychiatry blamed the disease rather than the drugs. Just as we have since done with the SSRIs and suicide

    How can anyone practicing psychiatry or psychotherapy not be ashamed of not spotting treatment induced problems. I would personally feel totally ashamed if I was a psychiatrist or psychotherapist and not spotted treatment induced problems in many of my patients. I would question my own judgement skills and be terrified of my lack of professional ability. Just like politicians have to when they do wrong psychiatrists and psychotherapists should do the same and resign. Its other peoples lives that they are destroying as a result of their “Pride”, “Selfishness” and “Greed”.

    I once saw a psychotherapist who I was sent to see as a result of my behaviour on SSRIS who said to me. Think very carefully before you start psychotherapy because you may end up in A&E because of treatment. I asked her “Why would I end up in A&E if I had psychotherapy? She said we will open things up and make you delve so deeply it could make you suicidal. She then ended my consultation and told me to consider whether I would be ready for psychotherapy or not.

    I was absolutely puzzled and disgusted at by her rudeness, I thought if that’s the way she spoke to and treated her patients then I think she is going to be the one that will one day end up in A&E not me. Who in their right mind would want a psychotherapist who spoke to them like that. I never went back not because I was afraid of ending up in A&E but because I knew she was not the right person to be able to help me.

    Now that’s what I call a waffling career and they get paid pretty well by the tax payers for all that crap talk too.

  3. Anne Marie, they don’t spot treatment induced problems because they are not looking for them, they have their script to work to, peppered with a good sprinkling of arrogant self assured self satisfaction, and worst of all, they don’t seem capable of thinking outside the box.

    The latest ‘craze’ to cut down hospital waiting lists appears to be to label anyone remotely problematic as having borderline personality disorder, which is branded ‘untreatable’ and so can get the patient hoofed off their referral lists pronto. Maybe inadvertently not such a bad thing if it avoids them getting a psychotropic drug prescription. But not so good if people are left floundering in anxiety and stigma. And what about Aspbergers? Not a mental illness but so little understood or credited by psychiatrists and psychotherapists. Just a slightly different way of relating to the world and it’s stimulae. The more I learn about all these things, the more I feel thinking outside the box would be the most vital thing to teach trainee psychiatrists. One size definitely does not fit all, be it ‘diagnosis’ or offered medication.

    Also, interestingly, would it be fair to say that many of us can cope with one stress at a time, but when submerged under two or three, the mind says ‘give me a break’ and shuts off into coping mode? Isn’t that likely to be the root cause of most anxiety? A sense of being exhausted and not able to cope. So if we don’t peel back the onion, look at these stresses and deal with them one by one, how on earth is a drug going to help us long term. It isn’t about ending up in A&E like your arrogant psychotherapist threatened, it’s about common sense and unpicking current worry, which lands on us all sometimes, uninvited, and just needs a bit of reasoned unravelling with compassion.

    • I actually thought I had been sent to see the psychotherapist because of the stress and trauma of what I had gone through on SSRIS over several years. I remember sitting in the waiting room with a huge bag full of SSRI information eager to show her all the research and stories I had printed out from the internet. She was having none of it and thought I was using it as an excuse and told me I was ill, I was so upset and absolutely livid. We did not get on at all, she was a loud mouth shouting at me with too much to say for herself and wouldn’t listen to me at all. It was if her attitude was (I am going to sort you out once and for all). I decided then that I would never go back to mental health again and went it alone. I was already at that time coming off SSRIS and going onto Mirtazapine.

      To have gone through all that trauma I had on SSRIS and to stand up to these professional bullies whilst still trying to mentally recover was probably one of the hardest experiences of my life, but it payed off, I never fell into their trap of self blame and I recovered from it.

      Go by your instincts if you feel their wrong then they probably are, you know yourself better than anyone.

      Psychiatry is a disgusting profession and the people who work in it are brain washed and mentally ill themselves. They are part of the problem.

        • Jane and Anne Marie, I SO agree with you. I often wonder whether a psychiatrist realises the enormity of the power they wield, when speaking with (or at) a person in mental confusion, anxiety, need of guidance as to what is seemingly wrong with their current thinking.

          It sickens me to think of the one sided balance of power between clinician and patient. I fully accept that medications may have already slewed the sufferer’s reasoning ability, and maybe their life’s circumstances have caused a lot of stress, sometimes of their own making, sometimes heaped upon them in too heavy a load because shit happens. But they are where they are, they are desperately in need of help, and in their vulnerability they reach out in trust to the ‘listening’ psychiatrist, the fount, to them at that moment, of all knowledge.

          In the case of our son’s suicide, I know that RoAccutane-isotretinoin started the rot in his thinking. I accept that bullying about his appearance at school in his teen years had caused him concern. I more than accept that Seroxat (Paxil) had made him have even worse repetitive suicidal thoughts than those that RoAccutane sparked off. But it was the horrendous, terrifying, aggressive and bullying attitude of the Lead Home Treatment psychiatrist, who refused to listen to the history, good character, previous suffering and consistent constructive bravery of our son, that in our opinion, definitely killed him. We had watched our son keep struggling against the akathisia (although we didn’t have a name for it till RxISK enlightened us) for 11 long courageous years. But this arrogant psychiatrist, the man our son trusted and believed in, shouted at him and took away the last vestiges of his fragile self esteem. One might say he kicked this cowering respectful worried soul to death with his damning words. We sat in the room with other NHS members of his Team and watched it happen. We were all stunned, but no one dared say much back. I tried, politely, and was rubbished too.

          So, yes, Jane and Anne Marie, it’s hard to call this a ‘profession’. In our son’s case, the word ‘executioner’ fits better. I guess however it’s an effective way of getting the queue for treatment down. How can this have been allowed to happen in a civilised world, I ask myself every wretched morning when I wake up to face another day without our dear and delightful son. It happened because we are all afraid of mental illness and we want these gods of psychiatry to give us the magic answers, restore normality in confused minds. So we make ourselves believe in their superior knowledge. We daren’t stand up to them and argue our case, for fear of igniting their wrath against our already suffering loved one. Maybe some, like Dr Healy, do have a great talent for assessment and problem solving. But so many others, as are often reported here, seem to have nothing to offer but arrogance and frustration.

          • Heather your comment left me feeling really sad. Just thinking of your son sitting in front of that psychiatrist being bullied. It makes me so sad and mad, if that was a domestic situation you could have someone charged with “Domestic or Emotional Abuse” for that, there is a new law come out here in the last year for it. It also covers Controlling and Coercive Behaviour.

            Is it not Controlling and Coercive Behaviour when they treat a patient like this and deny them the truth and then bully them into blaming their illness and not the treatment, when it is not?

            Trouble with Psychiatrists they have too much power more than the police I heard. They probably feel they are untouchable and above the law (hence where their arrogance comes from) and they get away with it.

            Its all very creepy when you look at it.

          • I lost my mom to big pharma also. I am getting myself off of the drugs right now and working on a solution to stopping them. I’m sorry for your loss.

      • Psychiatry is indeed a “mental illness” and should be put on the front page of their beloved DSM bible. I don’t believe in the bio-model but what Glasser called “creative symptoming.” All those DSM manuals are certainly symptoms of some sort of creativity. (Though far from thrilling reads.) Unfortunately it’s not the psychiatrists who suffer from their own delusions but those dumb or desperate enough to pay one a visit. Then, Heaven help you! To all intents and purposes your life is over.

  4. It is in a doctors interest to ensure that nothing topples him from his pedestal.Traditionally influences and medical practices the world health organisation figures suggest that in some develop countries there has in recent years ,ben a decrease in life expectancy and increase the mortality rate among young people.But the overriding, essential fact is that doctors have taken too much control for themselves convinced by their own professional propaganda, they have build a profession which has too much respect for therapy and not enough respect for healing.For the first time in history, we have a medical profession which has chosen to ignore the phenomenon of natural healing treatments
    Th basic aim of most medical is to suppress any signs and symptoms of illness or distress as quickly and as effectively as possible.In fact, these days scientific medicine itself is responsible for the good percentage of disease.With all the fancy chemical and computerised equipment, we have, chronic,ashma, cancer diabetes virtually all degenerative diseases are known to mankind are thriving and medicine hasn’t affected their incidence one tiny pit.Recently other researchers have found that there is a natural tranquillizer in the human brain and that a powerful and effective morphine is released it has been shown to that when a person with infection develops a mild temperature and loss his appetite both symptoms are signs that the body is dealing with the infection itself.The hope of humanity lies in the prevention of degenerative and mental diseases, not in the care of their symptoms.Thank you for sharing

  5. People are in silence, they do not speak out against it and no one is listening anyways, so the cancer grows, but eventually, “the sign flashed out its warning.”

    Life is cyclical, empires rise and fall, so at the peak of its hubris, as they worship their neon god, we start to see the cracks in this new world.–DbgPXwLlM

  6. Anne Marie, you have echoed our thoughts exactly. We have felt sad and mad ever since that terrible day in July 2012, when the Lead Home Treatment psychiatrist harranged our son in front of us in this terrible and undeserved way. You could see from the embarrassed facial expressions and body language of the other three members of the Home Treatment Team, that they were horrified too, but didn’t know what to do. Later we were given information by another psychiatrist who had worked with this arrogant, (dare I say, in our opinion, megalomanic man) that others had died on his watch from suicide, that he was well known by patients and staff alike as a terrifying bully in the NHS, but NO ONE DARED TO CHALLENGE HIM. He had got one psychiatrist dismissed when they took him to the GMC. We did the same, and he got off again.

    I was looking back through my email exchanges with my son for that July 2012, because I needed some IT information he had sent me at the time – I had a new contract with China for some of my children’s book series and Olly had scanned the artwork and was sending it there for me. I came upon the email he wrote me, shortly after the horrendous confrontation with the Lead Home Treatment Team psychiatrist. It reads thus:-
    ‘Dear Mum,
    I’m really sorry about how I am at the moment. I’m finding the thoughts are tormenting me all day, and memories are making me feel really sad and upset. The anxiety stays as the thoughts are the reality, no matter what anyone says. Also the reality of who I am and how I have behaved has hit home and shocked me to the core. I feel like I’m in my own World most of the time, with nothing to say. I want to escape it but I don’t know how. Everyone has been so nice to me always. I know I can’t talk to you at the moment, but it wanted to say how much I love you and think you’re the most wonderful mum and always have been.
    I am doing my best to get through.
    Lots of love

    Why could he not talk to me? Because the Home Treatment Team social worker, doing the bidding of the above named psychiatrist, had told me and Olly’s dad off for listening to his suicidal thoughts, ‘which were attention-seeking’ and we were in their opinion, making him worse by listening to him! So I went away for a week or two, on their instructions! I cannot forgive myself for believing that they knew best. He was feeling so ill because the psychiatrist had told him to stop Venlafaxine stone dead, and of course, his terrible anxiety and feelings of worthlessness were springing from the appalling AKATHESIA he was pitchforked into, but he didn’t know that, and that at the time, nor did we.

    Two months later he was dead. He had never treated anyone unkindly, he had never been thoughtless or attention-seeking. He was a beautiful soul, loved by everyone. But the confrontational psychiatrist decided otherwise, after two short interviews, and a refusal to listen to the history. He was a Master of NLP and he ‘knew’ the answer, just by watching body language and my making a snapshot ‘gut’ diagnosis. (!). And that man had the power. We did not have the knowledge. And, although he was away from the NHS for a few months after Olly’s death, he was back in harness again in 2014 treating patients with exactly the same approach. And no one can do anything to stop him. So, yes, Anne Marie, we feel sad and mad, and we’ve challenged the behaviour meted out to our son, leading to his death, by going to the CEO of our local NHS. Health and Care Trust, but our concerns have been batted away with condescending nonchalance. This is the world we live in now, and lives like Olly’s are being lost, every passing day. Because no one with any power in the NHS DARES to stand up to bullying psychiatrists, for fear of losing their livelihoods.

  7. A piece which is brilliantly written – well worth reading and digesting. I particularly like the ‘as a herd we can succeed’ point – brings hope to our ‘herd’ here. Important to remember too that a ‘herd’ can only be as good as the sum of its determined individuals!

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