The Goetzsche Affair

November, 5, 2018 | 23 Comments

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  1. The Nuts and Bolts of the Vice-Like-Grip the entire Propaganda Machine has on Evidence Debased Medicine Networking.

    It goes beyond anything resembling Data Based Medicine.

    With all the proof in the world pointing to drugs like Seroxat, for instance; when the recorded proof of this drug and its catalogue of harms have been known about for decades and the stifled voices of thousands of youngsters and oldsters, many, many lives have been lost in horrific circumstances.

    Is the truth so unpalatable?

    It’s not just a British problem, although we can be justifiably ashamed that it is a British Company fighting their reputation and their drug tooth and nail.

    The media and the regulators sitting on a Time-Bomb too wary to light the wick?

    When everybody knows what is going on but the relentless campaign to cover it up is an International Problem, how profoundly does it reflect that this article is published in India.

    At least we know where we stand, as illustrated by Stefan Verwey.
    .

    There are an incredible number of back-stories going on in the UK by people determined that these matters are kept under wraps, in perpetuity.

    Dogmatic and Authoritarian, quashing some one like Peter Gotzsche in Denmark, David Healy in Toronto, John Read in London and these actions detail how people who speak up are expendable to suit the prevailing opinions…

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PnK8EQk7IZ0/TWEJdSRBn0I/AAAAAAAAHUs/I35K5DXTD2s/s1600/stefan+verwey+08.jpg

    There is nothing luminous, transparent, or delicate about these Affairs …

  2. Thank you very much David – the PDF is especially useful as I can use use it to forward to such as the AM for Mountain Ash (and others) which featured in a previous blog as having one of the highest prescribing rated in UK . Mountain Ash by the way is surrounded by the beautiful countryside of the brecon beacons where healthy people flock to enjoy themselves -and the valley towns – which sickenly have been described by an A and E consultant as being positively medieval with regard to provision of health services and quality of life. .Having ‘mouths to feed ‘ can never trump the cover up of corruption in Cochrane. So many people no longer have lives to live because of them.
    Surely there should be legal action taken now – surely there should be a petition to call for the resignations of more than just the trustees?
    Even if Peter G and others want to be reinstated is it likely they will be ableto change things enough that Cochrane could be trusted again? His name has been dragged through the mud shamefully – he used to be a much admired advocate of truth and integrity not just in medicine but courses on social sciences in the 80s. Mis -Using his name has led to so much harm and deaths – the complete undermining of all he stood for .

  3. David,

    I guess we are very much in a Pastor Niemöller situation. 73 years after the Second World War, 65 years after the death of Stalin it is dismaying to see where we have arrived. People have been denying to themselves how bad things are for too long. I just wrote on the Age of Autism blog:

    “Frankly, we are looking a a Stalinist purge – first of all Cochrane, now the Danish government. We have a generation of technocrats and politicians born too long after the Second World War (Denmark once a beacon of decency!) to understand or care what they are doing, and completely without shame. What does anyone stand for in politics anymore? Last week I wrote to eight London members of the European Parliament about the effective suppression of free speech implied in their proposed “copyright reform” directive, and not one replied. They are supposed to be there as our representatives but they have just become the rubber stamp for global interests and it doesn’t matter who you vote for apparently, because they are all bought or intimidated. Of course, the Gøtzsche business also started with a conflict with European institutions which are completely dysfunctional and corrupt.”

    • John – I keep trying to find a politician with a conscience but recently had the usual brush off from Vikki Howells AM for Mountain Ash where the highest rate of psychiatric prescriptions in Wales are prescribed – sent her David’s article in the Indian Journal of Medical Ethics – I wouldn’t waste my time with the UK j of med ethics . AMs and PMs as you know always use the same cop out – you need to be a resident of their own constituency. Utter nonsense. Also used by MP Sarah Woollaston even if contacted as chair of health committee house of commons not constituency MP – she is of course married to Adrian James registrar of college of psychs. If the day ever comes that these people are held to account they can’t claim they didn.’t know.
      Adrian J gave an interview on BBC World News a few nights ago which included only a few people who promoted their need to take drugs based on their own experience – there was no mention at all of the side effects or inclusion of those who have come off them .Adrian gave a very soft interview stating that individuals make their own decisions whether to take them but if they decide to stop – his last sentence was consult their GP. as there a high likelihood of relapse. GP not psychiatrist? How counter productive that advice can be.No information about groups which could be contacted for further information was given as is usually the case in these programmes. The contributors were obviously chosen carefully by the college with collaboration of the bbc.once again.

  4. David, what was it that led up to the events in 2004, surely it must’ve been more than one single court case? What prompted FDA to do their review? Or perhaps my question is more of ‘what got the ball rolling’? I expect whatever it was to be heavily resisted by the manufacturers, but it still got undertaken, and obviously unveiled alot of controversial knowledge.

    Why then? Why around 2004, since the majority of SSRI had been on the market for over a decade?

    Is there a “triggerpoint” that was inadvertantly tripped?

    I’m sure something like this must’ve been foregone with alot of whispering in the corridors of academia. Just like I’m sure the technicians at car manufacturers were whispering about the manipulation of data regarding emissions….

    I really ‘dislike’ how so many doctors and academics go along and accept faults at the very basics of the scientific body they rely on!!
    Ove2018

  5. In regards to the Cochrane HPV vaccine review being publicly branded “as untrustworthy and as a betrayal of Cochrane’s core mission”[1], what about the issue of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Dr Lauri Markowitz being involved in the conception of the Cochrane HPV vaccine systematic review, development and writing of the protocol, critical review of the manuscript, and her provision of “invaluable advice and contributions by reviewing the results and discussion sections”[2]?

    Lauri Markowitz has been involved in the promotion of HPV vaccination since its implementation in the United States and globally.[3] It is totally inappropriate that a person involved with promoting HPV vaccination also be involved in a supposedly ‘unbiased’ Cochrane review of HPV vaccination.

    I have raised this issue repeatedly with Dr David Tovey, Editor in Chief of The Cochrane library, and repeatedly been given the brush-off.

    Markowitz has now withdrawn as an author of the Cochrane HPV vaccine review. How does this work when she has obviously had major input, demonstrably more than another listed author, i.e. Pierre PL Martin-Hirsch, who was only involved with the conception of the systematic review and critical review of the manuscript?[2]

    Does Markowitz’ withdrawal as an author mean she is not accountable for the accuracy and integrity of the Cochrane HPV vaccine review, a criteria for authors recommended by The International Committee of Medical Journal Editors (ICMJE)?[4]

    Markowitz’ employment by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention[5] and her role in promoting HPV vaccination are not disclosed in the Cochrane HPV vaccine review. It’s a serious matter that Lauri Markowitz’ conflicts of interest are not disclosed.

    The ICMJE, which Cochrane acknowledges in its criteria for authorship[6], notes: “Public trust in the scientific process and the credibility of published articles depend in part on how transparently conflicts of interest are handled during the planning, implementation, writing, peer review, editing and publication of scientific work.”[7]

    Lauri Markowitz was involved throughout the Cochrane HPV vaccine review process. I suggest what the ICMJE describes as ‘a reasonable reader'[8] would want to know about Lauri Markowitz’ associations and conflicts of interest. Why has the CDC’s involvement in the Cochrane HPV vaccine review via its employee Lauri Markowitz been camouflaged?

    Mere members of the public raising such matters are treated with contempt when they try to question the ‘peer-reviewed literature’ industry that promotes the use of vaccine products, whether this be via journals or Cochrane.

    This situation is particularly sinister with vaccine products increasingly being mandated by some governments, e.g. in the United States and Australia, on the back of industry-associated data being published in journals, and vaccine products being approved by industry-funded ‘regulators’. These vaccine products are being pressed upon us by conflicted government vaccination bureaucracies and industry-educated doctors.

    Cochrane was expected to be an impartial judge of material backing vaccine products, but via its demonstrably biased Cochrane HPV vaccine review, Cochrane has shown it cannot be trusted.

    In November 2015 Cochrane announced cessation of operations of its Cochrane Vaccines Field due to an ‘ongoing lack of resource capacity'[9], so it appears there won’t even be the pretence of independently evaluating vaccine products in future, the international community will be left open to exploitation by the unfettered vaccine industry, and rampant ‘poly-vaccination’.

    This whole system is rotten to the core, it’s time for accountability.

    References:
    1. Jørgensen L, Gøtzsche PC, Jefferson T. The Cochrane HPV vaccine review was incomplete and ignored important evidence of bias. BMJ Evid Based Med. 2018 Oct;23(5):165-8. doi: 10.1136/bmjebm-2018-111012. Epub 2018 Jul 27.
    2. Prophylactic vaccination against human papillomaviruses to prevent cervical cancer and its precursors: https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD009069.pub3/information#CD009069-sec1-0014
    3. Markowitz was on the US Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices’ Human Papillomavirus Vaccine Working Group in 2006. She’s the ‘corresponding preparer’ on the ACIP’s document recommending implementation of HPV vaccination: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5602a1.htm A YouTube video of Markowitz, published in February 2013, shows her avidly urging ‘providers’, i.e. doctors, to press HPV vaccination on their patients, insisting they need to have three doses, and saying “The most important thing, this is an anti-cancer vaccine, we know it’s a very effective vaccine, it’s actually one of our most effective vaccines, and those are very important things.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnd_iCOR7-w
    4. ICMJE. Recommendations for the Conduct, Reporting, Editing, and Publication of Scholarly Work in Medical Journals. Updated December 2017: http://www.icmje.org/icmje-recommendations.pdf
    5. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is involved in HPV vaccination promotion. The US Government benefits from the sale of HPV vaccine products, i.e. a letter to Dr Eric Suba from the US National Archives and Records Administration (November 2010) discusses royalties the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) receives from the sales of HPV vaccines: http://www.vietnamcervicalcancer.org/dmdocuments/ogis%20suba%2024%20november%202010.pdf
    6. Cochrane Community. Authorship and contributorship: https://community.cochrane.org/editorial-and-publishing-policy-resource/ethical-considerations/authorship-and-contributorship
    7. ICMJE. Conflicts of Interest: http://www.icmje.org/conflicts-of-interest/
    8. ICMJE Uniform Disclosure Form for Potential Conflicts of Interest.
    9. Cochrane Community. Closure of the Vaccines Field: https://community.cochrane.org/news/closure-vaccines-field

  6. Failure to enforce Vanessa’s Law is a deadly game

    Dear Prime Minister,

    I write you as both Prime Minister and as a father of three young children to request your immediate intervention to enforce Vanessa’s Law in Canada.

    In 2001, GlaxoSmithKline’s Study 329 reported that its antidepressant blockbuster Paxil was safe and effective in adolescents with depression. But Study 329 was later debunked using clinical trial data — too late for many teens, including 18-year-old Sara Carlin of Oakville, Ont., who hanged herself after abruptly stopping Paxil, never knowing that 10.5 per cent of adolescent patients on Paxil had dropped out of a clinical drug trial because of serious psychiatric events, including suicidal ideation. 

    https://ipolitics.ca/2018/11/05/failure-to-enforce-vanessas-law-is-a-deadly-game/

    Fifteen-year-old Vanessa Young of Oakville, Ont., died of a heart attack on March 19, 2000, after taking the prescription drug Prepulsid. Her father, Terence Young, established Drug Safety Canada in 2001 and has advocated for regulatory reform since. He was elected to Parliament in 2008 and galvanized both houses to pass Vanessa’s Law in 2014. It still has no regulations to empower key sections of the bill, four years after it received Royal Assent. 

  7. G.M.C. Core Organisational Values.

    *Integrity. – We are honest and share what we see.
    We listen to our partners, but remain independent.

    *Excellence. – We are a learning organisation, committed to achieving high standards.

    *Collaboration. – We work with others to support safe, high-quality care.

    * Fairness. – We respect people and treat them without prejudice.

    *Transparency. – We are open and account for our actions.

    “These values form the basis on which we operate. We want every decision we make, every interaction we have, and every email we write to embody these values.
    We regularly evaluate how we think we are living up to these values, and seek the views of others on how they think we are doing”.

    D.H.

    “In 2016, Jeremy Hunt, Britain’s then Minister of Health, stated that children’s mental health
    was the greatest point of failure in the NHS.
    As of 2016, senior personnel in NICE had a de facto policy of not sharing a platform with anyone who might state that their guidelines were based on ghost written articles and were prepared without access to the data that outside observers in general assume underpin them”.

    Medical Practitioners who write guidelines are registered with the GMC, and are obliged to follow the GMC’s professional standards, values, guidance and ethical values.

    Is the publication of guidelines advising fluoxetine for our children, and failing to protect them and their families from the dreadful impact of AKATHISIA and SUICIDALiTY compatible with:

    “Integrity, Excellence, Collaboration, Fairness, and Transparency”?

    How is the continued advocacy for such evidence debased guidelines compatible with the GMC’s Core Organisational Values?

  8. Status of the situation at the Nordic Cochrane Centre

    ​Peter Gøtzsche has been suspended by Rigshospitalet until further notice.

    https://www.rigshospitalet.dk/english/news-and-media/news/Pages/2018/november/status-of-the-situation-at-the-nordic-cochrane-centre.aspx

    6. November 2018, at 17:00

    Rigshospitalet has appointed Karsten Juhl Jørgensen as acting head of the Nordic Cochrane Centre until further notice.

    The University of Copenhagen has been asked to take charge of supervision of the PhD students until further notice.

    “Today, I’ve asked all employees and students at the Nordic Cochrane Centre to continue their work as normally as possible during this difficult time,” said Per Jørgensen, Deputy Chief Executive at Rigshospitalet.

    “We’re striving to ensure that the Nordic Cochrane Centre continues as part of the international Cochrane Collaboration,” concluded Per Jørgensen.

    30 October. German Network for Evidence-based Medicine: Second letter to Cochrane

    Open letter to Cochrane’s CEO Mark Wilson:

    http://www.deadlymedicines.dk/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/German-EBM-network-second-letter-to-Cochrane.pdf

    We completely miss the spirit of Cochrane in the handling of this affair. We fear that Cochrane’s reputation is at risk of severe damage, not only among the German scientific community but on an international level.”

  9. I assume, that the present situation regarding vaccines and psychiatric drugs, is as it is due to a wish from the powers at be. I assume that it is not only due to greedy corporations and their economical influence. I assume that the situation is based upon a wish from the powers behind the puppets called politicians. But how it in reality is going on i have a hard time figuring out.

    Maybe its true whats in the bible:

    ‘For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.’

    Ephesians 6:12

    Maybe sociologists and others could come with a more down to earth explanation.

    Peter Breggin warns of Psychiatry as a tool oppression in this powerfull speach:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr7FnEu0G1w

    My fear is, that psychiatry in its present and future form is and will be further used as a tool of projecting a political climate and system that humans actually oppose.

  10. Peter Gotzshe castigates Cochrane in TheBMJ ‘No Longer aCollaboration’
    8/10/18

    ‘he discusses his expulsion from the debased collaboration’.
    P G includes a call for the expulsion of the board members,who have brought such shame on Cochrane.. If they are allowed to remain, trust in the project will surely be so eroded it would be surprising if people of good faith as well as talent ,would want to work for it,

  11. Academics are not often good at strategic thinking, management and organizational issues. We needed someone to plug that gap.” — Neil Chanchlani MD, London, UK

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3778472/

    Hospital’s suspension of evidence-based medicine expert sparks new controversy

    By Gretchen Vogel, Martin Enserink
    Nov. 7, 2018 , 5:00 PM

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/11/hospital-s-suspension-evidence-based-medicine-expert-sparks-new-controversy

    Gøtzsche says he was informed last week that he was being suspended. “The only reason that they gave was that they no longer had confidence in my leadership,” he told Science. He says he is working with a lawyer to challenge the move.

    Murder of the “Mentally ill” in Nazi Germany (Bernburg)

    ‘there was nothing wrong with it, they could be free’

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=psychiatry+in+nazi+germany&&view=detail&mid=B866CE65584227283BDBB866CE65584227283BDB&&FORM=VRDGAR

    ‘money, money, money, nothing but money’ …

    Gates Foundation Buys Cochrane Integrity for $1.15 Million

    https://healthimpactnews.com/2018/gates-foundation-buys-cochrane

    This may be the last straw in dissolving the illusion of scientific integrity in reviews published by the Cochrane … and Melinda Gates Foundation … Health Impact News

  12. Nogracias Retweeted

    David Hammerstein
    @DaHammerstein

    Over 4500 signatures of support and over 1000 personal comments.

    @EllenTraneNorby

    The destruction of Peter Gøtzsche: a threat to world public health. By David Healy

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nogracias.eu%2F2018%2F11%2F08%2Fla-destruccion-peter-gotzsche-una-amenaza-la-salud-publica-mundial-david-healy%2F&edit-text=

    The almost 4000 signatures of health professionals and citizens from around the world and nearly 1000 similar comments have not served:

    “Professor Peter C. Gotzsche is meticulous and annoyed by his ability to identify the manipulation of industry-sponsored clinical trials and written by ghost writers. Your courage, intellect and dedication are an example for our profession. Their continued work and delivery within Cochrane has been essential to improve public safety and to protect all patients from adverse drug reactions – serious and potentially fatal – so often denied and hidden and causing so much suffering to citizens. ” Dr Tim Moss

    David Healy has written what could be the final epitaph of this sad and sad episode: the destruction of Peter Gøtzsche puts the world public health at risk.

    Medicine Degraded by Evidence

    Mob Rule

    Gotzsche quotes Peter Rost, a former global vice-president of Pfizer, who once wrote, “It is scary how many similarities there are between this industry and the mob . . . The difference is, all these people in the drug industry look upon themselves . . . as law-abiding citizens

    https://www.wddty.com/magazine/2013/december/mob-rule-1.html

    . . . However, when they get together as a group and manage these corporations, something seems to happen . . . It’s almost like when you have war atrocities; people do things they don’t think they’re capable of. When you’re in a group, people can do things they otherwise wouldn’t because the group can validate what you’re doing as okay.”

    It’s time for more insiders like Gotzsche to break this conspiracy of silence by standing up for the fact that this is not now, and never has been, okay.

    • I wrote:

      “Professor Peter C. Gotzsche is fastidious and gifted in the identification of the malfeasance and manipulation of ghost-written, industry sponsored, manipulated clinical trials.
      His courage, determination and dedication provide an example to our profession.
      His continued, dedicated work within Cochrane is essential to improve the safety of the public, and to protect all patients from serious and life-threatening, common Adverse Drug Reactions .
      ADRs so often denied, misdiagnosed, and causing great suffering on a population scale”.

      The potential Cochrane disintegration is symptomatic of a profession that appears to have widely abandoned the basic tenets of ethical medical practice in favour of greed and pomposity. Where self, and guild importance now takes precedence over our primary raison d’être.
      That is – (or used to be) – dedication to strive for excellence in the care of each and every individual patient.

      Those who may conspire to try to silence diligent researchers like P.C.G. risk exposing less than altruistic motives, whilst motivating thousands of us to challenge a perception that marketing “The Cochrane Brand” is a higher priority than scientific integrity and/or the patient safety and quality care.

      This would amount to blatant abandonment of “Primum Non Nocere”.

      No doubt those who are intolerant of Peter’s modus operandi will be in receipt of praise and endorsement by the “Republican Guard” of the mainstream psychiatric establishment, as well as from those who’s dedication is apparently to pharmaceutical marketing and/or where loyalty lies with major donors.

      Attempts to damage, even destroy, those who speak truth to power simultaneously damages care and compassion for patients.

      Marketing masquerading as medicine causes further injuries to those whom psychiatry has made into “patients” via the over-zealous, coerced and enforced use of some of the most toxic drugs ever misused on human beings.

      We all have a duty of care to those few who maintain the very highest ethical and professional standards regardless of the inevitable risk to themselves of organised persecution, intimidation and denigration.

  13. Worlds Apart …

    ‘The notion that these signs are necessarily indicative of violence and suicide seems to me like arguing that transient annoyance with a colleague is much the same thing as attempted murder’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/12/rows-over-study-which-claims-antidepressants-double-suicide-risk/

    How blurry is the line between healing and killing?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=JVcphH2xAlQ

    The doctor-patient relationship is often revered as an exemplar of trust and openness. But with the medical profession’s intrinsic relationship with the pharmaceutical industry, many doctors are knowingly or unknowingly being converted into industry sales representatives. How have these links lead to the pathologising and overmedication of patients, and are our trusted healers doing more harm than healing? Oksana is joined by Dr Peter Gotzsche, the Director of the Nordic Cochrane Centre, to examine these issues.

    “Excuse me, I find this insane”…

  14. Just published in BMJ RR

    HPV vaccine: news management vs. public safety and the right to know?
    https://www.bmj.com/content/362/bmj.k3694/rr-1

    Seven weeks after its courageous publication, this paper [1] has received relatively little attention even in these columns, but I thought of it when I saw an article in the Mail on Sunday a couple of days ago: ‘Outcry as boys’ HPV ‘catch-up’ is rejected by the government as Health Secretary and Vaccines Minister stop the extension’. People are being told they desperately need this product, pressure is brought to bear on government ministers, it is even – horror of horrors – an issue of gender equality. Under the article I left the two line comment (which remarkably has survived):

    “A greater right than having this vaccine would be knowing about it. The medical research world is in upheaval over this vaccine – the Cochrane Group has split and yet the public must not be told.”

    To an earlier generation of journalists the split in Cochrane [3] and the attack on HPV vaccine safety by senior scientists [1,4] would be attention grabbing headlines, and rightly so. As it is, can health professionals – if they have managed to inform themselves adequately – properly tell their patients that these products are “safe” or even that “the benefits greatly outweigh the risks” (the usual rubric)? If the news media was not in breakdown everyone would be told, and not just those who have their noses buried in medical journals: ordinary citizens have a right to know – it affects them. Indeed, with this amount of justified doubt should not the products simply be withdrawn?

    [1] Lars Jørgensen, Peter Doshi, Peter Gøtzsche, Tom Jefferson, ‘Challenges of independent assessment of potential harms of HPV vaccines’, BMJ 2018; 362 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.k3694 (Published 24 September 2018)
    [2] David Rose, ‘Outcry as boys’ HPV ‘catch-up’ is rejected by the government as Health Secretary and Vaccines Minister stop the extension’, 10 November 2018, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6375239/Outcry-boys-HPV-catch
    [3] Nigel Hawkes, ‘Cochrane director’s expulsion results in four board members resigning’, BMJ 2018; 362 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.k3945 (Published 17 September 2018)
    [4] Jørgensen L, Gøtzsche PC, Jefferson T.’The Cochrane HPV vaccine review was incomplete and ignored important evidence of bias’, BMJ Evid Based Med. 2018 Oct;23(5):165-168. doi: 10.1136/bmjebm-2018-111012. Epub 2018 Jul 27

  15. If I had known what was in store for me, the title would have been “Death of a Whistleblower.” I describe the problems I have had with the leadership of the organisation I co-founded 25 years ago, the Cochrane Collaboration, particularly in relation to my criticism of psychiatric drugs.

    This is outright scientific censorship, which is highly damaging to any scientific enterprise

    https://www.madinamerica.com/2018/11/heroes-science-survival-whistleblower/

    Back home in Denmark, my hospital announced that I would be fired, for no good reason. It seems to be a political firing coming from the Ministry of Health, which has paid no attention to the fact that I have saved Danish taxpayers billions of crowns though my research; have created a research centre of international repute; and that the patients appreciate my initiatives. Now the time had come to silence a vocal critic of the drug industry, psychiatry and the establishment.

    I am just the messenger,

  16. This is why Peter Gotzsche earns his Crowns

    THIS Doctor should listen to THIS DOCTOR …

    LOGIC

    This is what his ‘shocked’ Doctor said about logic ..

    “I was very shocked when I heard about his death. I had the impression that while he still had suicidal thoughts, he was still processing them logically. His medication was increased and he seemed quite logical about how he was going to get better. He was attending all his appointments and was keen to engage with us.”

    Daniel Phipps

    http://antidepaware.co.uk/news-and-comment/

    To the logical Doctor suicidal thoughts did not equate with the act of suicide.

    To the logical Doctor increasing the medication equated with how he was going to get better.

    To the logical doctor attending his appointments and keen to engage meant the patient would not act on suicide.

    To the logical patient he told his doctor he had suicidal thoughts.

    To the logical patient the doctor increasing his medication would process his suicidal thoughts.

    To the logical patient attending his appointments and keen to engage would keep him alive.

    This logical doctor afforded this logical patient with emotional intelligence.

    Deadly Medicines and Organised Crime – Peter Gøtzsche – October 3, 2013

    Three months earlier, I gave a one-hour lecture about these issues in Danish, which was filmed and put on You Tube with English subtitles:

    “Oh my! What about suicide?

    Let’s pretend I am the General Practitioner

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1LQiow_ZIQ.

    After only two weeks, it had been seen by over 10,000 people from over 100 countries.

    Spot the Double-Act .. one patient dead, the other very much alive …

  17. Paradoxically their attempts to discredit Peter Gotzche has had the opposite effect. Thousands of people from all backgrounds and all partsof the world have shown their support for him , maybe there is some cause for hope there. And hopefully no more attacks or other bad news for Peter G who ended another video by saying he would soon be fighting the hardest battle of his life but didn’t expand on that.

    Meanwhile students, researchers are getting a terrible message – universities used to be places where thinking was encouraged now they are too often money grabbing institutions selling degrees. Cochrane students have been told their work will now be supervised by the university in Denmark. Maybe next move will be to set up ‘educational’ institutions such as in China to indoctrinate those who stray from the fold . .

  18. Meanwhile researcher Tm Dalgeish a researcher at medical research council who ‘broadly speaking is interested in affective neuroscience in relation to depression and PSD ‘twittered that he had fun this week contributing to Radio4 All in the Mind. Tim D. says re brain scans .there is not just one single marker for depression .it is not one single thing but a mixed bag – and – wait for it- there are 16,000 different ways someone can present with depression. (could they please drop the ‘present’ thing by the way). The R4 presenter made no response at all to this mind/brain boggling number. 16,000 reasons to keep away from this project even if volunteers will get paid to contribute to the research at a useful £6-£10ph. Need to live near Cambridge. This research is seen to be useful as clients will be more likely to be referred for appropriate ‘treatment’ – exactly where in the UK was not specified, as the treatment is to be provided by (largely non existent )therapists whose skill and reliable relationship will change the person’s brain and therefore thinking. No information as to how these paragons will be chosen/assessed as suitable or who by. Or whether the therapists’ brains are to be scanned before , including hopefully to assess their suitability to begin a relationship designed to ‘change a person’s character’ and after – logically both clients’ and therapists’ brain would be changed.. Clients’ Brains to be scanned before and after ‘treatment’ ,

    The funding could be more usefully spent to clear up the mess they have caused by mis use of drugs But not so much ‘fun’ to be had maybe . Did try to send an email to Tim D to ask for info regarding the 16.000 but no luck I do understand the brain is a mighty complex thing but if people are to be used for research and ‘treatments’ these details need to be available and described in a way we can all understand. including to clients and volunteers as part of informed consent.

  19. When no new posts emerge on Davids blog, I get my dose of “info” from youtube and other video sites.

    I’ve seen many talks and lectures, for being a non-academic. And Peter Goetszche is among those who strike me as very intelligent, but also clever enogh to deliver his message in a good way. Sympathetic person. Just as David Healy.

    Most often, when watching academics, those who are too eager to bring the conversation to an overly ‘intelligent’ level, fail to get their message through.

    And finding patterns in the way ‘company shills’ deliver their message is sometimes hilarious. I have almost become allergic to some of the reasoning they use. It is not just in medicine and pharmaceuticals, but in many other sciences aswell.

    So many refers to “scientific data” or “repeated RCT’s” or a “consensus in the scientific community”.

    So much hinges on the science to be flawless, when it rarely is.

    The latest video I saw had such a hard time describing the origin of DNA, since one side argued that one of the basic proteins in DNA could not replicate without DNA allready be present. Even I understand that the “chicken or the egg” had to have come first. Yet there was only one side in the debate who claimed to have the “scientific proof”.

    I think humans have an inherent difficulty to say “I just don’t know”!!!
    Ove2018

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