Dr. David Healy

Psychiatrist. Psychopharmacologist. Scientist. Author.

Something Stupid This Way Comes

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The picture shows Franz Mesmer magnetising a patient.  In between his hands and her head and heart there is a set of little slivers of  metal, capable of being magnetised – shown by the fact they are all lined up the same way.  The therapist was able to influence magnetic fields and could realign bits inside her similarly, undoing whatever blockages were causing her problem – whether she had a paralysis, was hysterical or whatever.

When Mesmer moved from Vienna to Paris, a Royal Commission, put in place by Louis XVI to look into magnetism, concluded there was no evidence for a magnetic influence but a lot of evidence for an influence from the doctor’s suggestions – patients could be mesmerised not magnetised.

Or hypnotised as we’d say now.

The French Royal Commission was set up because Mesmerism suggested the entire social order was held in place by magnetism or hypnosis and we, the sleep-walkers, could conceivably be woken up.  We could be Woke.

Mass Hypnosis

There is an idea out there that only some people can be hypnotised, when in fact we can all be especially when we are in groups – as the Austrians and other German speakers proved in the 1930s and 1940s, and religious revivals and other popular movements repeatedly show.

Whether some of us are more susceptible or not, and whether the hypnosis is being done on an individual basis or not, once induced a key thing is to get the person to do something stupid.  That way the hypnosis deepens.

The very best example of this in the world today happens routinely when people go to a doctor.

When s/he puts you on a medicine, he gets you to focus on just 1 of the 99 things this chemical will do – the essence of hypnosis.  You will not link any of the 99 other things to his drug his voice murmurs – the loss of your ability to make love, your muscle aching, your ruptured Achilles tendon, the feathers you are growing.

If one of those 99 other things is difficult to ignore, maybe you are about to skin yourself alive you are so agitated, or you are compulsively injecting an opioid, the way to deepen the hypnosis is to tell you that this is another illness.

If you are suicidal, this is because you have a bipolar disorder someone missed – here take this as well.  If you are injecting opioids this is because you have an addictive disorder someone missed but we can get the addiction services to treat this while we continue to treat your pain – with an opioid.  If the latest antidepressant doesn’t help, this is because we didn’t realise you don’t have depression, you have an entirely different disorder – Treatment Resistant Depression (TRD).  Here take Spravato – Do Not go Gentle.

What this stupidity should bring home is that it’s your doctor who is under hypnosis not you.

The scene is not your doctor as Mesmer with you as the one mesmerised but the pharmaceutical industry, maybe one of the Sackler brothers, or the health service company your doctor works for in the role of Mesmer – your doctor is the one there in the pink dress.

As with all hypnosis, the spell involves an “If X, then Y”.  In this case if the figures for X  are high, whether cholesterol, glucose, depression scores, give Brand Y – or low as in bone thinning.

Maintaining the Spell

Key to your doctor, nurse, physicians’ associate or pharmacist staying “under” is keeping anything personal out of the interaction.  One way to do this is to encourage him to use rating scales – so much more scientific than just a conversation.  Or as many measuring instruments as possible rather than putting his hands on you or looking closely at you.

Having a computer on his desk, ideally with your record in the form of an electronic medical record (EMR) to occupy his attention is important.  If he’s too occupied with this to spot that you’ve grown feathers, this is ideal.

Another method is group practice, so you rarely see the same person twice and no-one is in a position to notice the change in you from before the drug to after.

The most important thing is to avoid any opportunities for your doctor to make a judgement call.  Hypnosis is like sleep-walking – people can do very complex things but ask them to make a judgement call and they either can’t or they wake up.

Brainwashing

Of course another way to get your doctor is to behave as the powers-that-be want him to behave is to brainwash him – that peculiar form of hypnosis that appeared in the 1950s.  The guideline apparatus is perfect for this. Even the most independent guidelines, are effectively written by pharma.  If pharma run all the trials and ghostwrite the publications, they write the Guidelines – Guidelines work from published trials and nothing else.

But besides the doctors who will faithfully follow the Guidelines because they are guidelines, the rest can also be hypnotised or brainwashed by another function of Guidelines.  As one of the quips about US troops taken prisoner in the Korean War, who went on TV to denounce the USA, had it, you don’t need to brainwash people to get them to say things like this – you just have to aim a gun at them off-screen.

Guidelines are the gun – don’t keep to guidelines doc and you will be out of a job.

Wake Up

How do we get doctors to wake up?

First you need to realise that no matter how awake your doctor appears, he is sleep-walking.

Second, don’t let doctors measure or screen anything unless it has to do with a problem you brought them.  If you happen to be there and they suggest measuring something – your peak flow rate, bone density or whatever – just say No.  If they suggest measuring something linked to a problem you brought them – think about saying No.

Third, don’t go along with your doctor when he suggests something stupid.  If something is going wrong on treatment, its almost certainly the treatment that has caused it.  Don’t buy the line that this is another illness.

Fourth, ask them who they are having an affair with – something, anything that disrupts what might seem like a conversation but it more likely to be a stereotypy.

Fifth, get them to make a judgement call about something that counts – anything.

Something in the Air

The title comes from Macbeth – from the witches one of whose finger-tips start tingling and who says Something Wicked This Way Comes.

We are heading toward a creepy MacMedicine, where companies want you on as many drugs as possible every day of the year – none of which save your life or improve your life expectancy.  The lesson that pharma took from AIDS is that cures are bad for business.

Your doctor can’t be hypnotised as easily with something serious like AIDS and or with a treatment like Triple Therapy that saves lives. Better a statin or an antidepressant any day of the week.

 

 

 

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  1. Hi. Interesting article. I’ve been thinking recently that I am particularly suggestible/easily influenced by others…could this fact have contributed to my mental health problems, I wonder? Could this be a factor affecting those who have problems with emotional wellbeing in general? As in, it’s more likely that one should experience a breakdown of the Self if one is easily swayed by the opinions of others… Food for thought… Anyway, thanks for the read!

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    • I doubt it is so much a matter of your being particularly suggestible/easily influenced by others, but perhaps more a case of that you are so programmed not to tune into your own sensitivities & into the [completely healthy] alarm bells going off inside you as to how seriously Diseased the Societal behaviour surrounding you in fact is, & having been so programmed not to swim against the tide. I think sensitive people – particularly Highly sensitive people – are far more likely to develop [so-called] ‘Mental Health’ issues/’problems’, particularly in today’s world where the level & extent of Deception at-play across the board, is rife & mindboggling, & all going on in an ever increasingly Dysfunctional, Unbelievably Unhealthy, Uncalibrated & Diseased World; along with the fact that, in reality, questioning Societal & behavioural Norms is Dangerous, let alone to then make a conscious decision to begin to swim against the tide. The Human Brain evolved within a highly Social environment, & is a highly socially dependant & interactive Organ. To remove oneself from The Tribe – no matter how obviously Diseased & dysfunctional the behaviour of that tribe is – is Dangerous. It is no wonder that Anxiety levels &, within that, unsustainable numbers & levels of Panic Attacks alone, are absolutely rife throughout the World, & particularly the Western world.

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  2. But, what about the CNS drugs? What about all the RCTs done on the antidepressants and antipsychotics that have such shaky science? What about approving Brexpiprazole for treatment resistant depression, or for that matter, any drug for treatment resistant depression? What about that misleading ad I can’t stop talking about? What about HHS and SAMHSA pushing for Behavioral Health moving to primary care with Collaborative Care as a backup, psychiatrists suggesting drug regimens for patients they haven’t even seen. What about waiting room screening – sure to escalate the inappropriate overmedication of patients? The FDA has certainly had its part in colluding with the pharmaceutical industry whether on purpose or inadvertently in all of these things. It took them seventeen years to add a black box warning that was needed after only a few.

    http://1boringoldman.com/index.php/2016/02/25/the-doctor-and-the-computer/

    the doctor and the computer …

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  3. Mozart seems to have shared the French Royal Commission’s view of Mesmer – despite enjoying the patronage and hospitality of his cousin Joseph Mesmer – lampooning him in Cosi fan tutte where the two male lovers feign suicide by arsenic and are “cured” by the ladies’ maid disguised as a physician. But of course it was the conventional doctors who bled Mozart to death less than two years later in a last ditch attempt to save his life. Perhaps Mesmer would have done less harm. On the other hand a century later Rachmaninov – not exactly in the same league – was said to have been cured of depression through a hypnotic therapy.

    No doubt of course that some modern medicine works but there is far too much of it.

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    • Vaccine Hesitancy – Question
      – in the House of Lords at 2:36 pm on 1st April 2019.

      To ask Her Majesty’s Government what assessment they have made of the report in the European Journal of Public Health on 25 February that there is a link between anti-establishment politics and vaccine hesitancy.

      Baroness Walmsley Co-Deputy Leader of the Liberal Democrat Peers

      My Lords, any distrust of experts sends out a terrible message to all those young people who spend years of study and thousands of pounds becoming experts. Does not our education system fail unless it produces a population who can properly interrogate scientific evidence?

      https://www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/?id=2019-04-01a.1.0

      Clare Gerada: Mandatory training needs a fundamental review

      https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l1406

      …the emotional impact of working so close to death, despair, and disability. It also allows for cases to become real and for true learning to occur.

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      • Could Clare arrange some support. should they want it. for all the ,’carers’ who do the actual hands on looking after people day after day; week after week, month after month, year after year often decade after decade. Clare Gerada Wessely might invite some of them to give her some training in how to develop resilience and compassion . She might also include in the training schemes envisaged an invitation to the lady doctors who are speaking out about bullying doctors. It seems that all sorts of exclusive counselling schemes are being payed for by taxpayers – eg DEFRA Department for farming and rural affairs. People otherwise are killing themselves for want of a therapist or counsellor. Are some lives more precious than others?

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      • Opinion: It’s time to rebuild public confidence in vaccines

        By Heidi Larson // 03 April 2019

        https://www.devex.com/news/opinion-it-s-time-to-rebuild-public-confidence-in-vaccines-94593#.XKZ0WSlu40I.twitter

        We need to start by being open to discussion and making information available in a language and context relevant to those we are communicating with. Topics such as how the immune system works, how vaccines are developed, and how they work are not widely understood. Too much of the information currently available needs medical training to decipher. On the other hand, many vaccine critics are extremely good at communicating simple ideas using emotive language.

        This open and participatory approach is the only way forward in this matter of life and death.

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        • Cutting edge science from Heidi (Victoria Darbyshire Programme):

          HL: Well, I think the main thing is there most incredibly extensive safety around vaccines – the processes that go around vaccines, the reasons there is quite a while between when vaccines are developed and when children actually get them is because the system has become more and more and more robust around safety. Frankly, partly because of the public cry for this, but it has always been that way from a safety perspective because the government frankly is accountable and if it is recommending and requiring in some senses these vaccines in some senses it is not in the interest of the governments or the producer to be recommending something which is going to cause any damage.

          VD: Should Facebook take these private groups down?

          HL: I think the issue with Facebook is a difficult one because on the one hand they are asked not to dig into people’s personal areas and on the other hand being asked to go and take things down so I think from a Facebook perspective its difficult to do that. From a public health perspective as we saw in the letter from Andrew Schifft (sic) to Mark Zuckerberg that this is something in the league of like hate crime….

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          • Robert F. Kennedy Jr‏ @RobertKennedyJr Apr 5

            I wish this were a joke instead of a dystopian nightmare.

            UPS, Merck Plan Pilot Program to Vaccinate Adults at Home

            https://thevaccinereaction.org/2019/04/ups-merck-plan-pilot-program-to-vaccinate-adults-at-home/

            Merck spokesperson Pamela Eisele said that the company is looking forward to the partnership with UPS as an avenue to promote adult vaccination and increase access to medicines and vaccines to adults, including the elderly, in their homes. Chris Cassidy, who joined UPS last year from British vaccine maker GlaxoSmithKline to oversee their global healthcare logistics strategy, told Reuters that,

            “Over-the-threshold services is where the world is headed.”

  6. There’s a bit of a stink going on in the BMA. Top committee members have been caught making sexist uncouth and bullying comments about the lady doctors. Some have woken up and spoken out although both the BMA and other doctors have known its gone on forever.. They have been brain washed into thinking sucking up to male doctors in useful positions is the way to get on – then realised they just get targetted all the same. The old well iknown voices of top lady doctors seem strangely silent ,getting on with their own careers, but things can change. If only they would bring their spunk to the issue of precribing and start a campaign group on behalf of the public not just themselves

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  7. “It’s now time for some leadership from the professions of General Practice and Psychiatry in the public interest rather than defending an indefensible situation.”

    John Read‏ @ReadReadj 16h

    John Read Retweeted CEP

    Our letter bemoaning the Royal College of GPs’ complacent response to 70 million antidepressant prescriptions. Time for leadership in public interest not defensiveness in interest of your profession.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/364/bmj.l1508/rr-0

    “Since founded 20 years ago, NICE has provided immeasurable benefit to patients and their families and to the NHS through comprehensive, transparent guidelines, and ensuring equitable access to the best treatments. Other countries could look to NICE for inspiration as every country grapples with how to best allocate resources in health care. NICE serves as a unique model, consistently offering quality, objective and evidence-based advice to inform the public and governments of how best to allocate resources in the fairest way possible.”

    http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-the-20th-anniversary-of-nice/

    Were notable. Nice ‘quoters’, not available, to discuss NICE Guidelines of one/two weeks of withdrawal from antidepressants…

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  8. Paul McKenna, the well known hypnotist with a seductive voice, apparently has stated that he is aware that it is unwise to use his skills on anyone who is sufferering mental unwellness. I think he did that once and the outcome was not good.

    There is a lot of hypnosis involved with NLP, (Neuro linguistic programming) which is practised widely these days and sometimes claims to treat and cure PTSD in army veterans in 3 days. The principle of NLP is not new. There’s a lot of good stuff in it. There are lots of books written about the Power of Positive Thinking, dating back to the 1900s. Very helpful and inspirational, a lot of them. But it’s important to bear in mind that its effectiveness and benefits depend now on the way this hypnosis is used, and the ethics and awareness of the hypnotist.

    I am sorry to say that I consider hypnosis caused my son’s suicide, along with the fact that he had been offered on prescription antidepressants and antipsychotics which rendered him already very vulnerable. He had SO much respect for the medical profession. He was feeling ill, from side effects of Accutane, but he’d been assured by them that Accutane could not cause him to feel ‘strange’ (a blatant lie, it turns out) and because a trusted DOCTOR said it, he assumed that that must be right. He was only 21 when it began, 32 when he gave in and died. He thought, aged 21, that adults behaved in a responsibly adult way, especially doctors. By 32 he was beginning to wonder, but he was too ill then to care.

    Slipping into AKATHISIA and losing all confidence in his abilities to think straight, feeling extraordinary unbidden suicidal thoughts coming at him in waves, he was honest when asked about these by healthcare professionals. Those people included a psychiatrist who (a) didn’t want to hear or read about his Accutane history and (b) when not pursuing his role as an NHS psychiatrist, was a Head Trainer in NLP. (And still is, in retirement). This man had only met our son on two occasions, for about an hour the first time and half a hour the fateful second time. We witnessed part of the first, and all of the second interview and heard the psychiatrist utter the following words, when we tried desperately to get him to understand that our son had been fine till he took Accutane for his acne. He felt this made him look ugly and he had been consistently taunted at school about it, so maybe a form of PTSD was dogging him).

    When the man wouldn’t listen, in the first interview, we wrote it down on a short note which we handed to him on the second, which he barely glanced at, and said to our son, “this is your mother making excuses for you again Olly, it’s the same old story isn’t it…”. He then told our son, angrily, and HYPNOTICALLY, “if you don’t sort yourself out, you are in for a terrible life. I am sure you probably WILL kill yourself but if you are going to do it I’d rather you did in in hospital than out in public where others could be affected by it.” However, this Psychiatrist was now stopping all treatment, Home Treatment (which our son and we had relied on support from, for 3 or 4 weeks) and no offer (thankfully) of Inpatient Treatment either. The implication of what he’d said seemed to be that in hospital they’d turn a blind eye if he killed himself. So, better not go there, thought we. No safety there….

    Our son apologised profusely to this man, for having expressed his suicidal thoughts, and begged to be allowed to keep the Home Treatment going. “no, you’ve done it to yourself” was his irascible response. Whereupon he then told us all, the Team included, all sitting in on Olly’s sofa and listening with lowered eyes, of Olly’s detailed suicide plan. Olly was totally shamed. The psychiatrist then got up, slammed shut his diary, and walked out. Olly stood respectfully, shook hands with all the Team, and apologised humbly to them for wasting their time. He later bought a box of chocolates and bottle of wine for the PSW who he had been working with in Home Treatment. A few days later he made his first suicide attempt but it didn’t work. A new Care Co-ordinator PSW was appointed and occasionally visited. When Olly open his front door, this man, witnessed by Olly’s dad, would say “still alive then Olly, not dead yet!” And, “ if you’d REALLY meant to kill yourself, you’d have cut an artery.”

    A few weeks later, in AKATHISIC agony on Sertraline and Olanzapine, having been taken cold turkey by the psychiatrist off Venlafaxine at the time of the first interview, Olly made a better job of it. We noted in his diary he had another appointment due with the ‘Care’ Co-ordinating PSW a day or so later…

    Thus ended the life of a good, loving son, and, as it happened, a very sensitive, caring and academically extremely bright and able young man, who had achieved such a lot in his short life. Who, we feel, was hypnotised into believing that if he stayed in the world, he was in for a terrible life, he had brought it all on himself, etc. We witnessed all these exchanges. We are not relying on them being reported to us by our son. He had kept going against all odds for 11 years, driven on by hope. During this last session with the new psychiatrist, hope had been hypnotically snuffed out.

    Afterwards we eventually saw the carefully doctored Notes. Reading these, when we submitted our Complaint, the GMC decided they did not need to press the NLP head trainer of a psychiatrist to comment on his behaviour, Olly was blamed, along with us, for the sudden stoppage of all meds including the Venlafaxine, whereas we witnessed him being told by the psychiatrist to do so ‘ as he was not depressed.’ So that was a lie. There were others too, carefully dropped into the written narrative. The only comment from the GMC was that the psychiatrist’s language was not well chosen. The rest of the MH Team were unavailable as witnesses, or if they could have been, they declined to be able to recall what was said. We went to the CEO of the NHS Trust, a trusted physician and campaigner backing us, but she swept our concerns aside and branded our son as ‘immature.’ Afterwards, others, also having received the same treatment from the psychiatrist, offered us their accounts too, but then became afraid and backtracked, they still needing NHS treatment in the same Trust. There is fear everywhere.

    The hypnotic effect of the damning words the psychiatrist uttered, on that fateful day, we feel sure took away any hope of recovery our son had. Plus the reliance by brainwashed doctors on prescribing antidepressants according to Guidelines to ameliorate Accutane damage, which had made our son so vulnerable. Rendering him prey to the final hypnotic attack. A wounded animal, desperate, broken, hopeless. And we stood by, helpless, sidelined, with nowhere to turn.

    Don’t think our story is unique, we’ve heard similar accounts lots of times since, when we’ve been speaking to others, bereaved by suicides. The unusual bit, and this is why I write it here, is the hypnotic NLP connection. I am sure Paul McKenna, who is not medically trained, would have more care about how he uses his hypnotic gift. But hypnosis in the hands of an arrogant psychiatrist, puffed up with a great sense of a Messiah-like importance, feeling that he does not need to listen to anyone or anything but his own brilliance, can be a very dangerous thing indeed.

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  10. This is so true, I am struggling trying to teach my colleagues and NP/PA’s exactly what your article is saying about Mesmer.
    They start an antipsychotic drug, 3 weeks letter the patient claims severe anxiety (it is just accumulation of the medication due to long half life and development of Akathisia), they add an anti-anxiety that helped a little bit, then add and SSRI because they have moderate anxiety, they become sick with muscle spasms, mydriasis, hyperreflexia. Medical can not understand or have a clue why they have those symptoms. Patient is assess by me, I get them off everything and he goes back to normal.
    We are treating symptoms and causing a myriad of symptoms that we start treating with no understanding of the cause.
    Is massive iatrogenia and the patient is given a new diagnosis and more pills (we never see our mistakes or understand the role of medication in their complaints). There is no knowledge of psychopharmacology and massive patients’ suffering.

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    • It’s so great to read your response Manuel . (what is an NP/PA/?) – hopefully more will follow your example – has there been any opposition

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    • Thank you Manuel.

      This describes exactly what destroyed the health, happiness and future for our enchanting loved-one, when SSRI induced AKATHISIA was misdiagnosed as “psychotic depression”.

      The SSRI was given inappropriately for exam stress. There was never any depression .

      The neurological toxicity was exacerbated by enforced, inappropriate psychotropic drugging.

      There were classical physical signs of progressive brain injury.

      These were denied, and my family was ridiculed for suggesting that their drugs were causing irreversible adverse reactions.
      They would not listen to me, even though I was a physician.

      Neurological, endocrine, thermo-regulatory, metabolic, gut, urinary tract and integumentary/skin and other injuries, due to compulsory “medication”,
      are not fully resolved as we approach six years after completing medically initiated and supervised, extended tapered withdrawal.

      After withdrawal there was progressive, linear recovery, as you describe, but the severity of the injuries meant that this took place over many years.
      Recovery of intellectual capacity, and the re-appearance of personality, humour, and return of the ability to walk, to talk and to smile are greatly valued.

      “There is clear evidence linking the negative withdrawal effects of psychiatric drugs with misdiagnosis and addition of inappropriate medication”.

      “Doctors need to be made much more aware of these effects, and more research needs to be undertaken to understand their prevalence and the true risks of psychiatric drug use”.

      (Council For Evidence Based Psychiatry – 2014).

      This is an equally valid observation for the induction and maintenance of psychiatric drugs.

      Her “doctors” were confused and angered with her unrecognised iatrogenic deterioration.
      Their response was an endless cascade of psychotropic drugging with “cold turkey” withdrawals, pauses, new drug introductions, and the serial addition of new “diagnostic” labels-for-life.

      You state: “There is no knowledge of psychopharmacology and massive patient suffering”.

      That was our experience until a locum consultant listened to me, agreed there was toxicity, and explained the need for extended, cautious, protracted withdrawal.

      Soon afterwards, an independent, internationally recognised expert in psychopharmacology was to endorse that ADRs were the underlying cause/ aetiology.

      Had the above consultations not happened, I believe that the continued pharmaceutical injury would not have been survivable.

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  12. Prof. Peter Gøtzsche‏ @PGtzsche1 21h

    Allowing almost half of the authors to receive financial support from the company whose product is being reviewed does not boost people’s confidence in Cochrane’s motto, “trusted evidence.” See abstract of 11 April article here: http://www.deadlymedicines.dk/category/blog/  @cochranecollab

    our well-founded criticism3 of the prestigious Cochrane HPV vaccine review.6

    http://www.deadlymedicines.dk/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Cochrane-authors-on-drug-industry-payroll-should-not-be-allowed-abstract-3.pdf

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  13. Heidi Larson‏ @ProfHeidiLarson Apr 8

    Maybe #antivax websites will just disappear in time? http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20190401-why-theres-so-little-left-of-the-early-internet?ocid=ww.social.link.twitter … via @BBC_Future

    Heidi Larson‏ @ProfHeidiLarson Apr 12

    Reverse global #vaccine dissent.Needs #Tech.#SocialScience.and #Ethicists.

    Reverse global vaccine dissent

    Heidi J. Larson
    William S. Schulz

    Science  12 Apr 2019

    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/364/6436/105

    To mitigate the globalization of vaccine dissent, while respecting legitimate sharing of concerns and genuine questions, a mix of relevant expertise is needed. Technology experts, social scientists, vaccine and public health experts, and ethicists must convene and take a hard look at the different roles each group has in addressing this challenge. It needs everyone’s attention.

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  16. Trump says anti-vaxxers ‘have to get their shots’ despite repeatedly linking vaccinations to autism

    Andrew Griffin

    1 hour ago

    Donald Trump has said people “have to get their shots” in an apparent attempt to encourage vaccinations in the face of a measles outbreak sweeping parts of the US, despite having repeatedly linked vaccinations to autism.

    Some 700 cases have been reported this year, and the spread has been largely attributed to misinformation that is turning parents against vaccines.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-vaccinations-shots-antivaxx-autism-measles-outbreak-tweet-a8887771.html

    Why Big Pharma distrust is fueling the anti-vaxxer movement and playing a role in the measles outbreak

    USA TODAY

    Jayne O’Donnell

    Apr 23, 2019

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2019/04/23/vaccine-measles-big-pharma-distrust-conspiracy/3473144002/

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  17. Measles eradication: a goal within reach, slipping away

    The Lancet

    Published:April 27, 2019

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)30903-1/fulltext?dgcid=raven_jbs_etoc_email

    DR MARTIN SCURR: Not vaccinating your youngster is like child abuse

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6965671/DR-MARTIN-SCURR-Not-vaccinating-youngster-like-child-abuse.html

    27 April 2019

    Whitehall sources last night claimed the Kremlin has been using social media to spread fake news about the jabs

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8950646/russia-accused-spreading-measles-vaccine-trump/

    27th April 2019

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    • The claim of the Lancet article is a lie. Because of its waning effectiveness the measles (MMR or MMRV) vaccine cannot provide herd immunity. People over 60 who had the disease will have life long immunity but for those who were just vaccinated immunity will be patchy. A particularly vulnerable group will be infants who because of the vaccine will not get the maternal antibodies that mothers passed on if they had had the disease.

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  19. When WesselyS has ‘formidable form’ concerning various topics…wouldn’t you think he would keep out of this ‘controversial’ topic –

    Simon Wessely Retweeted

    NHS Million‏ @NHSMillion May 11

    It’s sad to think that a woman who tweets dangerous advice about child vaccinations has over 900k followers while we have less than 400k. Please RT and follow us to help put things right.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/katie-hopkins-wades-dangerous-anti-15004325

    Heidi Larson‏ @ProfHeidiLarson May 3

    “We are Homo socialis” says #RichardHorton. It could be the answer to addressing the vaccine #populism.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)30999-7/fulltext?dgcid=raven_jbs_etoc_email

    Heidi Larson‏ @ProfHeidiLarson 3h

    The rise of vaccine hesitancy – Nuffield Bioethics

    http://nuffieldbioethics.org/blog/the-rise-of-vaccine-hesitancy

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  22. The measles crisis in Europe—the need for a joined-up approach

    May 18 2019

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)31039-6/fulltext?dgcid=raven_jbs_etoc_email

    Make measles vaccination compulsory in schools – new study

    Henry Bodkin
    13 hrs ago

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/make-measles-vaccination-compulsory-in-schools-new-study/ar-AABu9sV?ocid=spartandhp

    The research will add to the clamour for a mandatory approach.

    Last month Matt Hancock, the Health and Social Care Secretary, said he could not rule out the possibility that unvaccinated children would be sent home unless the immunisation rate improves.

    May 17, 2019

    expert reaction to study looking at vaccination policies and measles resurgence

    http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-study-looking-at-vaccination-policies-and-measles-resurgence/

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  23. What happened to Annie and others is horrible and so demeaning.

    The gas-lighting (with intent or not; meant or as perceived) against the facts and the evidence, and if in an already harrowing induced state in particular, really messes your head when you are already trying to maintain your sanity and if you are suffering from processing and cognitive problems – and much as you try to withstand it. And when this may extend to friends and family, partners, most of present day society.

    Not intentional, but some must feel similar to victims of Narcissistic abuse; the minimisation, confusion, gas-lighting, the walking on eggshells, not wanting to displease their (perhaps unwitting) abuser and he or she who has the power to stop or to relieve their pain, the Stockholm cycles of hurt and rescue, a pervasive sense of mistrust etc. even in themselves.

    They must try to recover, within this, from this as well.

    Not as bad but I had seen a psychiatrist recently in Ireland regarding providing evidence of my litany of as yet un-resolving impairments and difficulties towards a Disability application. This took years for me to accept and was hard enough.

    Of course, he didn’t listen to a word I was saying after I said that I had been, in my view, and where I may be in a court action regarding, misdiagnosed with Bipolar Disorder over ten years prior after suffering from all of the adverse effects of Seroxat at a young age, with no previous history, with no warnings nor knowledge at that time in much of the medical community.

    Same brick wall as I’d encountered with the previous psychiatrist I saw ten years after withdrawing from Seroxat (more terrified, even bizarrely after Seroxat of seeing a psychiatrist than of bursting into flames). This was only as I wanted help with a completely debilitating severe withdrawal and akathisia (compounded by later diagnosed hyperthyroidism – no mention of it being withdrawal induced of course even when after other tests for cause came back negative).

    In that session, looking for help with akathisia and withdrawal (post 20 exposure), The Head psychiatrist stuck her head in for 5 minutes at the trainee’s request.

    (I can understand that the trainee, and going on ten year old ‘Bipolar’ medical notes, may have had difficulties with the akathisia induced rapid speech compounded by the fact that I felt I had to get so much in an hour and that I would have to repeat all I that I had already said to 3 different psychiatrists attending to me in a matter of weeks).

    In those five minutes the Head Psychiatrist stood over me (and when I must have been in a visibly bad state). She sneered at the Rxisk and Fava documentation I had bought on withdrawal and akathisia, ridiculed me regarding the idea of taking legal action against GSK, suggested that I might be on illegal drugs, that my family either had or may confirm that I was manic (no contact with my family whatsoever), and tried to prescribe me a few drugs for Bipolar including anti- psychotics.

    It was, as someone else has said of such an experience, an interpersonal trauma and re-traumatising post the help I had sought ten years prior and when an utter mess regarding Seroxat and when back looking for help ten years later in the only place I could go for relief from severe withdrawal and akathisia again.

    That hour session however, and which should have been taped as I saw and had permitted, was then only given a few misleading lines in my medical records and did not record anything I had said nor the inappropriate and distressing way I felt I was treated and by a Head psychiatrist. I suspect that either before or after I requested to be returned to GP care (and with no other psychiatrists at all for my then area much less a new practice) a conversation was had.

    My GP did not believe I was Bipolar, never once mentioned it to me, and later did a blood test for hyperthyroidism post my severe withdrawal as I had so rapidly physically deteriorated and was always shaking and in pain.

    (I really did think at the time, physiologically, such a severe withdrawal and with the knock on onslaught, that I would eventually die or have a heart attack).

    The last psychiatrist I had to see towards help applying for Disability, with no medical records to refer to at all, post my relating my medical history of adverse effects and bad outcomes and anxiety on SSRIs, also that I had been through a lot of traumas in the previous few years, said that I hadn’t been through any traumatic before I opened my mouth to try to relate.

    He then said that if Bipolar had already been diagnosed that I should have and should be taking drugs for Bipolar (his own diagnosis confirmed by restless leg and checking my not long post hyperthyroidism Prozac trembling hands).

    I refused Bipolar drugs and politely suggested that he wait for my records and/or more than one session before prescribing such serious drugs and to someone he’d just met with a history of adverse effects and whose system remained highly sensitive.

    He just looked at me like I was a hopeless case and scribbled something down.

    Although it may weaken any case, unwitting pharma reps medical notes holding the most weight against the testimony of the victim who’s credibility was reduced by the unwitting pharma reps, I know I am only alive and not in even worse shape, and my experience mainly being only with SSRIS alone, because that was the last place I felt I should or could go unless I felt couldn’t fight suicide any longer.

    (That said returning to a GP almost killed me when he appreciated that I didn’t think Bipolar drugs from the psychiatrist were helping or appropriate and then unwittingly almost killed me off with Effexor as a non SSRI post Seroxat).

    But all this is nothing compared to what happened to others of course.

    Natalie Gerhki’s medical notes had been accidentally destroyed…

    Every time I have left a psychiatrist’s office in Ireland (only ever going after 1999, after Seroxat, for help from Seroxat; only then after I had taken an overdose post Seroxat withdrawal and then Effexor induced akathisia on top – or they would have sent me to the psychiatric hospital; ten years later for help from an more severe drug induced nightmare), I get a shiver passing patients, especially kids, in the waiting room.

    The feelings of unease, despair, terror and doom also are not just drug induced.

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    • Thanks for the mention, Deirdre

      This is a Floridian, who seems to know a lot more about the state of UK, than many in the UK …

      https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l2238/rapid-responses

      14 June 2019

      Daniel J. Dunleavy
      PhD Candidate (Social Work)
      Florida State University — College of Social Work
      College of Social Work, University Center C, 296 Champions Way, Tallahassee, Florida, 32304
      @Dunleavy_Daniel

      https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l2238.long

      recovery&renewal Retweeted

      James Moore Retweeted

      CEP‏ @CEP_UK 35m

      Crucial response by D. J. Dunleavy to our recent piece in the BMJ on AD withdrawal. Dunleavy calls for government, professional and research groups to listen and collaborate with antidepressant users if we are ever to win the battle against AD withdrawal

      https://twitter.com/Dunleavy_Daniel

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