Dogs and Serotonin

October, 3, 2017 | 13 Comments

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  1. Leonie, this is wonderful. There’s almost too much to say …

    Last year the USA was hit by ads for a new doggie anti-anxiety med called Sileo. Just in time for the Fourth of July! I found the press release hilariously similar to those for human psych drugs:

    “At least one-third of pet owners report that their dog suffers from noise aversion1. Common clinical signs include panting, trembling, cowering, and escape behavior, which can result in self-trauma as well as property damage2. These behaviors disrupt the human-animal bond during noise events, such as July 4th celebrations. In fact, fireworks are one of the top triggers for noise aversion in dogs2 and, as a result, July 5th is the busiest day for shelter intakes in the United States3. (NOTE: Do NOT think this disorder is trivial–it can send a dog to Death Row!)

    However, only 40 percent of pet owners seek treatment from their veterinarian; 20 percent look for solutions on their own, while 40 percent of dogs suffering from noise aversion do not receive any treatment2. 69 percent of pet owners are “neutral” to “dissatisfied” with current treatment options: the unmet need is a treatment that provides consistent results without causing sedation or requiring behavior modification2.

    Behaviorists agree that untreated noise aversion progresses to a more severe state and the development of other anxieties. “There is no suffering and pain worse for dogs than that caused by fear. Fear deprives dogs of joy and damages relationships,” says Karen L. Overall, MA, VMD, PhD, Diplomate American College of Veterinary Behavior, of Philadelphia, PA. “Behavioral pathology is progressive, so early recognition, diagnosis and treatment are essential.” (So, there are doggie-med Thought Leaders …)

    Sileo, or dexmedetomidine, is described as a “highly selective alpha-2 adrenoceptor agonist that blocks norepinephrine release, a chemical in the brain that is involved with the development of fear and anxiety.” Given that so many human drugs intended to treat depression, etc. boost norepinephrine, I question if the dog is feeling all that mellow. Maybe it’s thinking, “Yeah, I could bark — but what’s the goddamn point? What’s the point of anything?”

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    Cats too apparently……

    3 of the Most Effective Dog Depression Treatments

    Dog depression can sometimes be difficult to spot, but it doesn’t have to be hard to treat. If your dog is suffering from depression or anxiety-related issues, these top medications can help.

    petcarerx.com

    PS Can Anti-depressants be given to horny dogs to chemically castrate them 🙁

  3. Thanks for The Dog, Leonie

    I have had two labradors for nearly 25 years, until recently, for the final put down ..

    Nothing better than arriving back at the van and the waggy tail at the door, big licks, huge excitement, mama has come home ..

    First things first – feed the dog – an hour of walking in Scotland where it has not stopped raining for 300 years – food and exhaustion are the only two things I concentrated on – him to be happy and me to relieve the guilt of having to work all day as a gardener and having to leave him when I couldn’t take him with me – up at seven and do it all over again – every day for nearly 25 years ..

    I even doubled up walking my lady gp’s two labradors after walking my own; she needed help as her two dogs were badly trained, jumped up, bit, pulled and didn’t behave like mine – at this time she was ‘treating me’ with Seroxat withdrawal ..

    The dog is the antidepressant

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/where-science-meets-the-steps/201506/nature-s-antidepressant-the-dog

    A vet prescribed my last black lab, Doosker, a drug – apparently for inflammation (of what I know not). I do remember him saying it might be for life, it cost a fortune – a fortune I did not have ..

    Give it a go, I thought.

    A few days later the van had a hole in the seating the size of a small deer .. my dog had attacked the seating and dug and dug with foam and seating innards everywhere

    I knew it was the medication. I knew because I had a deja vu about Seroxat and violence and aggression.

    The dog med was chucked and normal service resumed .. lick lick a head weighing a ton dropped on me nothing like a dog hug

    Nursing homes encourage dogs to visit – my own mum loved the dogs, the rabbits, and even a guy with snakes and reptiles who came to drape them all over the residents – jeez, they loved it ..

    What with kennel cough and annual booster injections, tick ointments, expensive proper dog food, it is expensive to keep a dog, and I dare not think how much a vet would charge for Prozac

    The Dog gives back what you give to him and if The Dog decides to throw himself under a train then I think we can decide for ourselves that The Dog had a Stewart moment and we can deliver testimonies that giving our animals anything other than devoted love is the way to go and stuff the antidepressants or unstuff the antidepressants ..

  4. Well, Leonie, I can hardly believe the facts that I’ve just read here. In a comment in response to ‘Alt Medicine’ at the end of August I stated that I wondered where pharma would turn to next, now they’ve exhausted ( in all meanings!) the human race – would it be to our pets. Little did I know that it was already going on.
    We, in Wales, are lucky enough to have free prescriptions – therefore fail to realise the heavy cost of repeat prescriptions. I guess that if we start medicating our pets then we’re in for a very nasty cost shock.
    Shane’s teeth saga, as he stated has not cost him in money – again due to free NHS dentistry. His dog needed dental treatment recently – the vet quoted £300 to take out ONE TOOTH (plus overnight care if needed). Since Shane had adopted the dog ( yes, that’s the term) from a local rescue centre – who have their own on-site vet facility, he got in touch with them regarding the necessary treatment. They could do it for £80. No need to state which Shane chose of course. The dog was duly taken along and it was found that it actually had 7 teeth which needed to be extracted – all done for the total of £80 plus extra for antibiotics and painkillers. The crafty vet that first brought this to Shane’s attention would have charged his £300 x 7 over the next few years. The reason Shane looked elsewhere was due to his insurance for the dog being ‘accident cover only’. Doesn’t this illustrate exactly the reason why full coverage by pet insurance is so high? This brought home to me exactly how things would turn out for us in the UK if the US style of insurance healthcare was to take hold here.
    Back to the dogs – they provide companionship to the lonely and a sense of responsibility and ownership to the young. They are a godsend which come with responsibilities – time is needed to provide the care that they deserve. With training, they enhance the lives of families. They need stability, care and love. They ask for nothing more – and, in my opinion
    should be kept well away from any ‘mind altering’ potions of any sort.

  5. From Belinda

    When I was in grad school, I worked in a clinic. There I saw two doctors and their patients. One doctor was calm and confident….his patients tolerated their procedures well. The other doctor was quite sure all his patients were anxious and he premedicated them with Valium. This doctor was himself, tense, irritable, and often snippy with staff. I based my dissertation on these observations…that anxious providers prescribed more tranquilizers than their less anxious counterparts.

    That dissertation got me my first job, back in the 1970’s in the Dept of Family Medicine at Duke Univ where I taught residents skills to manage their own and their patient’s anxiety. I had to learn about psychopharmacology to protect my own psychotherapy patients who were getting medicated because they may have shed a tear, or complained about their spouses. I needed the information to credibly fight my MD colleagues. My state doesn’t recognize psychologist prescribers and I have never wanted to be in the position to offer drugs I couldn’t trust, so my professional life has focused on educating physicians, psychologists, and patients and encouraging them to be better informed and less passive about what is foisted on them by big Pharma.

    Belinda R Novik, MSCP, MD, Ph.D
    Licensed Psychologist
    Clinical Psychopharmacologist
    Chapel Hill, NC

    • Belinda

      Thanks for this. This maps onto what I hear about Vets the whole time. The dog or cat or whatever figures they are now in the hands of someone who is less tense than their owner and they relax. Vets are also good at what used to be called animal hypnosis.

      But the other side of this is dogs in particular can often be very good at detecting when we are anxious or ill and good at coming and lying beside us and settling us down. You’d have to wonder if a dog who’s internal signalling systems are scrambled by drugs would be as good at doing this.

      David

      • I suspect the prescribing doctor involved in this dissertation study either never completed his own psychoanalysis and/or wasn’t consciously aware of countertransference.

        Interesting article, Leonie. Why would anyone want a pet whose ability to be an active companion was numbed by unnecessary drugs? Perhaps such pet owners are too lazy to walk their dogs.

        • Kristina

          Its not clear that any animals – including humans – are meant to be “stabled”. As I understand it they “give up” when left alone. You’d have to wonder what we are doing with a lot psychotropic prescriptions particularly in children

          David

  6. Some more ‘calming products for pets’…

    For cats, as advertised in The Veterinarian (Australia) June 2017:
    My owner calls me “Pee Diddy”
    But I only spray because other cats freak me out.
    Cats show stress and anxiety in very different ways – like spraying, scratching and hiding – so it’s important not to misunderstand these signs as bad behaviour. Feliway diffusers are scientifically proven to help calm cats and get them back to their best.
    So recommend Feliway and sign up to the complete Ceva Pet Stress Management Program to help get cats and their owners back on the same page.
    Feliway – The secret to happy cats.

    For dogs, as advertised in The Veterinarian (Australia) July 2017:
    Addressing Canine Anxiety with Nutritional Supplements
    Fearful dogs, dogs demonstrating signs consistent with ADHD and dogs that are dominant and aggressive have been found to have low concentration of serotonin or tryptophan compared to control dogs not displaying these signs.
    What is Tryptophan?
    Tryptophan is an amino acid required for protein synthesis, as well as for the production of the monoamine neurotransmitter serotonin responsible for mood (happiness) and sleep. The conversion of Tryptophan into Serotonin is supported by B vitamins.
    For a happy and healthy pet
    Paw – Pure Animal Wellbeing. Complete Calm Multivitamin Chews with Tryptophan
    High levels of L-Tryptophan: A Natural mood regulator
    B Group vitamins to maintain normal nervous function
    Tasty kangaroo based chew
    Developed by vets. Inspired by nature… By Blackmores

  7. Leonie .. Mad in America

    https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/10/dogs-and-serotonin/

    John Hoggett October 4, 2017 at 3:27 pm

    My friend’s cat over grooms her fur. She was offered prozac type drugs for the cat.

    Eek.

    mik October 4, 2017 at 10:02 pm

    Oh dear…and if dogs become aggressive as a result of SSRIs (as many humans do), after attacking and maiming people, other animals, etc they will be labelled vicious and killed.

    Sad that we would be encouraged to do this to our beloved furry companions.

  8. Male fish have been seen to become obsessive tending to the eggs and in higher SSRI doses have been found to even kill the female fish.

    Antidepressants Found In The Great Lakes And Fish

    Amazing that they recognise this in fish but not humans. Dogs and Cats must also suffer terribly.

  9. Even the Gorillas and Bears in our Zoos are hooked on Prozac

    In 1954 Rhône-Poulenc sold the U.S. chlorpromazine license to Smith Kline, which named the drug Thorazine. The market for the new drug was mind-boggling, generating $75 million in sales in its first year.

    https://www.wired.com/2014/07/animal-madness-laurel-braitman/

    Dolphins, whales, sea lions, walruses, and other marine creatures in parks like SeaWorld have also been given psychotropic drugs for what their vets see as depression, anxiety, compulsive regurgitation, flank sucking, or other distressing behaviors.

    The Gorillas Who Got Haldol, Valium, Klonopin, Zoloft, Paxil, Xanax, Buspar, Prozac, Ativan, Versed, Mellaril, and Beta-Blockers

    https://pubs.acs.org/cen/coverstory/83/8325/8325thorazine.html

    Of chlorpromazine’s side effects, the most visible is tardive dyskinesia. Causing abnormal and purposeless movements, tardive dyskinesia’s traits are similar to those found in Parkinson’s disease. Early indications that the drug caused Parkinsonian-like symptoms were overshadowed by chlorpromazine’s benefits, but by the 1970s, tardive dyskinesia had drawn enough attention to tarnish the drug’s reputation and diminish its use.

    They put Thorazine in the Coca-Cola ..

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