RxISK Stories: If You’re Going To Look After Patients, Man Up

December, 12, 2012 | 8 Comments


  1. There very little written about the situation the the UK in these stories. At least in the US Jonson& Johnson have been brought to court in several states re Risperidal. This is drug, according to Mad in America, showed a high level of suicide or attempted suicide in trials, yet patients who present with this are ignored.
    What can we do to get the UK government to take action for fraudulent safety studies as they have in the US?

  2. Ping pong was a good game, back and forth, fast and furious. Pharma telling prescribers, in all their leaflets, that the drugs are safe and a couple of weeks will suffice to stop has only led to bewildered, confused, angry, upset mums and dads losing a child through complete idiocy.
    How can a child of 12 be given Zoloft. My heart breaks.

    Maybe, I was child, at 51, when Seroxat was ceased. There you are telling these stiff, know it alls, that your drug is killing you, and all they do is sit there with pen in hand, watching you and trying to fathom what it is you are trying to tell them.
    You tell them, again and again, this drug is killing me, and a wooden voice with no emotion whatsoever, says, I think I will double your dose as it appears you are a bit excitable, a bit over the top, a bit too alive, a bit in my face, so away you go and I will get on with crucifying the next individual that comes to see me.
    The power of death is given to prescribers who seem, at the moment, to be the most ignorant in all of our society.
    Nothing has changed, at all.
    If I was presented to my surgery, now 61, ten years later, with the same scenario, then I would expect exactly the same reaction that I got then.
    Things have not moved on. Just bigger and bigger penalties, which curiously, governments allow. Fines for billions do not seem to enter the heads of anybody, that just maybe something criminal and somewhat circumspect is going on.

    It makes you want to become a Hobbit, where the struggles are in a sane world and they are important and brave and they have not been held back from living, by seismic stupidity that as soon as the patient walks in the door, they are doomed and their saviour is their killer, and no matter how much protestation takes place, the patient has not a chance.
    What a complete and utter waste of our time.
    Hobbitland, here I come. Can’t wait to arrive…want normalcy and real quests……excitement and bravery, so much to enjoy once the shadow of death has gone………………………………from little boxes……………………………….
    Before I entered the sick world of medication, I read The Worst Journey in the World by Apsi Cherry-Garrard, led by Scott; travels in the Antartic.
    This was a horror story, but the bravery of these men, who did what they did to survive, left me awe inspired.
    It has been to my eternal regret that I have been manipulated, to the point of death, when real and courageous people did what I was trying to do, in my small way, by having a thirst for adventure.
    Some adventure…………

  3. I always feel like crying when this subject is brought up.
    When I read the story of Traci Johnson…
    I did a post at my first blog about children who took their lives due to drug-induced suicide ideation and I have these names fro Peter Breggin’s site:

    **Kara Jaye-Anne Otter was 12… Paxil/Seroxat -child suicide (2)***

    In Brazil and in many countries we don’t have any data.
    Not a single psychiatrist, I’m sure that by now they have lost patients because of their prescriptions, had the integrity of raising his/her voice.

    It’s appalling.
    I don’t have a way to search. I have access to a psychiatrist that is a researcher for Columbia University.

    I met one of his patients who told me she was “taking the drug of the research”.

    I pretended it was a good thing and she showed me the packet with the drugs with a number and not a single name.

    This woman was taking part in a clinical trial without knowing!

    I went there another time and a mother was waiting for her daughter who was taking ECT. She had tried all the drugs available but she was still depressed.

    That was the fourth section and her mother said that she would not let them do another one.

    It’s like that all over the world.

  4. GlaxoSmithKline agreed to plead guilty to criminal charges of illegally marketing drugs and withholding safety data from U.S. regulators, and to pay $3 billion to the government in what the Justice Department called the largest health-care fraud settlement in U.S. history. The government said Glaxo spent six years—1998 to 2003—unlawfully promoting Paxil for patients under 18 when the drug wasn’t approved by the FDA for non-adults. It said Glaxo helped prepare an article published in a medical journal in 2001 that falsely reported Paxil had proven effective at treating depression in children in a clinical trial, when the trial showed no such thing. According to the government, “Glaxo sales representatives sometimes referred to Wellbutrin as ‘the happy, horny, skinny pill’ as a way to remind doctors of the unapproved uses.”
    One of the main charges was that GSK had ignored safety risks. The criminal charges appear to be restricted to fraud but, when safety issues are included, should there not be additional criminal charges – wrongful death at the very least? Strange that this aspect of the case was not considered. What was the Justice department thinking constituted safety risks? These could, logically, only be effects harmful to patients.
    Change could come about through legal action against physicians who continue to prescribe drugs that have been shown, if only through such court cases, as being potentially life-threatening. If, as a practicing physician, one becomes aware of the recent litigation against Eli-Lilly for the development of metabolic syndrome in patients on Zyprexa, and continues to prescribe it without very careful monitoring of blood sugar, weight gain, raised cholesterol and triglycerides, is this not wanton disregard for human life as defined in the Criminal Code? The commission of a prohibited act by the accused – for example, causing bodily harm, must first be proven. In the case of drug induced suicide, there are obvious difficulties in obtaining what the law considers as constituting proof. Some offences, however, are based on negligence and judged “objectively” so that the person’s conduct is itself proof of the necessary “criminal” fault. Some examples, as defined in the law, include showing “wanton and reckless disregard” for the lives or safety of others. If a physician is aware of the dangers of Zyprexa yet continues to prescribe it, one could argue that there exists a certain lack of regard for the life of his/her patient. I would love to hear the defence argument.

  5. From Maie Liiv – Cross-posted from RxISK.org

    “The blood of these children is on your hands. To continue to blame the victim rather than the drug is wrong.”

    This was the introduction to Dr. David Healy’s Facebook post this morning. The words were familiar. They belong to Mathy Downing whose 12-year-old daughter Candace died by hanging four days after being put on Zoloft for ‘school anxiety.’ I met Mathy and several other bereaved parents at a conference in the States 18 months ago.

    Tonight I think of that evening at Julie Wood’s home when we first met, shared our stories of pharmaceutical malfeasance, created the Coalition for Physician and Surgeon Oversight; and made plans for a candlelight walk through downtown Toronto and a vigil in memory of the children who will never again be coming home for Christmas.

    For me there was a childhood memory of a ‘Lucia’ parade in Sweden — held on the 13th of December, the longest night of the year. The procession is led by a young woman in a long white robe tied with a red sash. She wears a crown of lingonberry leaves and seven lighted candles. She is accompanied by children also dressed in white, tinsel in their hair, holding candles and singing, ushering in the Christmas season and dispelling the darkness. The origins of the tradition are not in Sweden, but in Sicily and no one knows how they came to Scandinavia.

    I remember watching the Lucia procession in the university town of Uppsala as a three-year-old sitting on my father’s shoulders. He died on the 25th of December that year. A doctor made a mistake.

    Tomorrow night as we walk by candlelight through the streets of Toronto, the Scriptwriter in the Sky, the Creator, the Great Spirit, that which many of us call God; will smile on us. We will hold vigil in front of the headquarters of the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario and remember those taken from us by those who once took an oath to do no harm. We will call out names and the Great Spirit will weep with us.

  6. i honestly can not believe prescriptions for these highly poisonous drugs are being handed out like sugar pills still, after all the proof, all the publicity and the public humiliation of the drug companies, proven to have acted illegally promoting drugs that actually make illnesses worse and risk these dreadful terminal effects. particularly in young people and children who are even more vulnerable to pressure and enforced medication than distressed adults.
    am i the only one who sees this latest mass murder in the US as having all the marks of an SSRI overdose or rapid withdrawal? each time i hear about one of these dreadful events my first thought is, what medications was that person on? did they have a sudden increase or decrease just prior to the event? if president Obama wants to end these events at least half the issue is getting control back over the over prescription of these foul drugs. telling the entire population about the very real risks attached to casual or inconsistent use of the medications in promoting extreme states of mental distress and self harm would be a good way to start to gain that control.

  7. I, too, am sickened to think that the twenty year old Connecticut shooter might have been on an antidepressant as so many others have been. Am also wondering about the shooter in Clackamas, Oregon – in this story, a telltale mention was made of his family and friends being shocked…the behavior was inexplicable to them, based on his personalityas seems the case in Connecticut – the boy was withdrawn, perhaps having Aspergers Syndrome, but no mention of a violent personality at all. There was a case like this last year in the Los Angeles Times – a young mother drowned her two beloved little girls. She was on an antidepressant and was feeling very terrible – the story said she’d been trying to get help in vain.

    • this is a conversation that needs to be aired in the wider public, it seems to me an obvious first place to look for any ‘motivation’ if any were seriously being sought other than vilifying the poor individuals being caught up in this tragic pattern of events. i have for many years had a gut reaction to these events since they started happening, ‘what meds was this person on at the time? how much increase or decrease had they been subject to just prior to the events? why are no journalists doing anything to look into this?’
      i went so far as trying to leave a message for Obama outlining the importance of this line of enquiry, no doubt there is no chance that this will actually get through to the white house offices. and if it did, could he really stand up to the big pharma?

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